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legal matters - please help
date posted 29th January 2001 22:48
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hi - thaks foryour response here is a copy ofall associated mails:
the person in question sent this spam mail to a lot of the members on my =
site
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Hi there,
We got your details from White Lists.co.uk.
our company is currently looking for Quality Designers
to join our Webmaster Partnership Agreement and we thought
that it may interest you.
=20
Would you have any objections to working with a company
involved in the "Adult Web" ?
=20
We are particularly interested in Designers that can produce
graphic rich web pages and then Manage their Designs on=20
an ongoing basis and we are currently working with several
from whitelists .
=20
Interested ? go to our site and read our offer at the base of
page one.
=20
Thank You for your time and indulgence.
www.speedyking.tv=20
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I was asked by one of my members what the deal was, I was not happy if =
someone was going around coning my members as I wish to develop the site =
further. I asked the guy what the deal was - no comission but a =
potential 10 percent of raised revenue - I left it at that after telling =
my member if he wanted to work on that basis - fair enough
I later read on rfeelancers.net that someone had come across a scheme =
similar to this - and it was probably a con - it was a very convincing =
arguemnet - and I passed the info on
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hello
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just a quick note regarding any messages from alex king involving =
designing websites for an adult market. I have heard from =
freelancers.net that this is probably a con - don't take my word for it =
- that's just what I heard. If anyone has any further info - please let =
me know and I shall circulate to all members
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Also post me anything you think may be useful and I shall add it to the =
newsletter
=20
jd
__________________________________________________________
He got hold of this mail - either he is registered on my site under a =
different name or someone has forwarded it to him. he sent me this reply
___________________________________________________________
please read this carefully
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I created the site site www.whitelists.co.uk out of an honest desire to =
create a community of people involved in the creative arts and hopefully =
find them some work and contacts. I have tried to make this look as =
professional as possible and have taken care to moderate content and =
formats throughout the site.
It is therefore, not part of my plan when third party individuals pass =
emails to all of my participants, and it is certainly not part of my =
plan if (and, notice that I said IF) this offer turns out to be dodgy.
I sent the email concerning Alex King's offer due to being mailed by one =
of the participating members of whitelists wondering what the deal was =
and if I had any other information. I feel that, to attempt to reflect =
on my attempts at professionalism, that I should make the information I =
had available and did so, clearly stating that these were not my words, =
but what I had heard and that if anyone had any further information, =
they should contact me and I would then circulate this new information.
=20
To the person involved, I would have preferred that you spoke to me =
rather than contacting Alex King as if I was spreading slanderous lies =
about his company. I frankly do not believe Mr Kings legal threats =
especially for passing on information I have heard. If this business =
venture is legitimate (I say if, because I do not know), then I am sorry =
for giving this impression. But Alex - read this
=20
If you had a genuine business proposal to put to my colleagues - why did =
you not speak to me first.
=20
If your answer is that the internet should be a free medium, to be used =
by all, then surely I am free to speak to my members about any matters =
that may concern them. After all - I created the site, I did not give =
you permission to use it for your own devices, and any problems that =
arise indirectly from the site reflect on myself and the site (after =
all, the first emails stated that Mr King had contacted everyone from =
the site)=20
=20
As I hope the site will be useful to our community, this matter is =
obviously incredibly important to me, as I want members of this site to =
feel I am providing a service.
=20
=20
=20
At the end of the day - Mr King has told you what the deal is - if you =
want to work on this premise - then go for it, and if anyone can show me =
that they have profited from it, I will personally endorse his services. =
That's an apology Alex.
=20
I hope you agree that I have not acted out of line. I would be =
interested to heart any responses to this matter
=20
jd
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his reply , demanding another apology
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"
Good Afternoon,
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I have just received a copy of the post you have sent to your members.
A bit of advice, if you are going to end this thing with your dignity in =
tact "when your in a hole ,stop digging"
=20
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I created the site www.whitelists.co.uk out of an honest desire to =
create a community of people involved in the creative arts and=20
hopefully find them some work and contacts. I have tried to make this =
look as professional as possible and have taken care to=20
moderate content and formats throughout the site.=20
Yes its a fine site and a noble motive .
It is therefore, not part of my plan when third party individuals pass =
emails to all of my participants, and it is certainly not part of my=20
plan if (and, notice that I said IF) this offer turns out to be dodgy.=20
You have put the individual artists email address there with links,what =
do you expect prospective employers to do?
Once more you are intimating with no evidence other that a post on =
another site from some individual=20
expressing their opinion,by using the word "dodgy" you are reinforcing =
your previous post .
I sent the email concerning Alex King's offer due to being mailed by =
one of the participating members of whitelists wondering what=20
the deal was and if I had any other information//.
You chose to pass on not the information we had supplied to you when =
you contacted us surreptitiously
under the guise of inquiring about the offer for yourself,but rather =
the innuendo that had been expressed on
a private newsgroup by some person that is still anonymous to us. Can =
you recognise a pattern of
underhandedness developing here ?
=20
I feel that, to attempt to reflect on my attempts at professionalism, =
that I should make=20
the information I had available and did so, clearly stating that these =
were not my words//
Again, you confess to spreading rumour ,you may not be aware that under =
UK law it does not matter
where a rumour emanates originally,the person proved to be spreading it =
is liable under the laws of slander
but what I had heard and that if anyone had=20
any further information, they should contact me and I would then =
circulate this new information.=20
And did you receive any information that would substantiate your =
slander?
=20
To the person involved, I would have preferred that you spoke to me =
rather than contacting Alex King as if I was spreading=20
slanderous lies about his company. //
I think you would have been advised to take your own advice,after all =
you had already made contact with us,
we would have been more than willing to answer all your questions as we =
are willing to answer all our potential
webmaster partners.
Could it be you were not interested in seeking answers only interested =
in spreading rumour .
I frankly do not believe Mr Kings legal threats especially for passing =
on information I have heard.=20
If this business venture is legitimate (I say if, because I do not =
know), then I am sorry for giving this impression. But Alex - read this=20
Read the above my friend and if you think we have not got a case then =
will you please pass on your solicitors address
so that our Lawyers can contact them .
If you had a genuine business proposal to put to my colleagues - why =
did you not speak to me first.=20
Why should we do that ?could it be that our point about you wanting a =
commission be true,
I am sure your members would like to know about that
If your answer is that the internet should be a free medium, to be used =
by all, then surely I am free to speak to my members about=20
any matters that may concern them. After all - I created the site, I did =
not give you permission to use it for your own devices, and any=20
problems that arise indirectly from the site reflect on myself and the =
site (after all, the first emails stated that Mr King had contacted=20
everyone from the site)=20
Where on your site does it say we need YOUR permission to contact the =
Email links on your site ?
Are your members aware that you have the right to vet the offers they =
receive,aren't you insulting their intelligence=20
or are we really back to you seeking reward ?
And again you are intimating that we have the intention of making =
"Problems " for your members .
As I hope the site will be useful to our community, this matter is =
obviously incredibly important to me, as I want members of this site to=20
feel I am providing a service.=20
Then I suggest you back off and let your members decide for themselves
=20
=20
At the end of the day - Mr King has told you what the deal is - if you =
want to work on this premise - then go for it, and if anyone can=20
show me that they have profited from it, I will personally endorse =
his services. That's an apology Alex.=20
This is not an apology they are Weasel words which once again intimate =
that designers will not profit from there work.
I hope you agree that I have not acted out of line. I would be =
interested to heart any responses to this matter=20
I do not agree and unless we have a full retraction posted to your =
members with a copy sent to us by close of business
Monday we will go ahead with our legal action .
=20
On a personal level JD I have had enough of your unnecessary meddling we =
have lost one good designer already
because of your posts and I am very annoyed .
jd=20
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My next apology , which I did call him a pornographer - stupid yes, but =
proked by the above, his response to the mail comes first
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Mr Deville,
Here is a copy of the post you really sent.
A cursory glance will prove ,from your exclusions ,what I have been =
intimating all along,that is you are a Liar and a stupid man.
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Did you think that you could go round casting aspersions and lies and we =
would not find out .
=20
In this mail you call me a pornographer a term you obviously did not =
have the courage to use in the copy you sent to me.
You state once again that you are "passing on info" this as I have =
constantly informed you is slander and you have no proof of
the validity of your slander. other than I notice you are now siting =
"another similar offer that turned out to be a con"
How convenient ,perhaps you would like to forward me details of this con =
so that I can confirm it with its source .
=20
I now see that you are now saying that you had no desire to vet your =
members communications.
This is not what you were saying in your previous posts "
=20
"If you had a genuine business proposal to put to my colleagues - why =
did you not speak to me first."
=20
Is this not what you said, once more you are proved a liar .
=20
You are now suggesting that I canvass your members to see if they agree =
with your actions ,are you implying
that because other people agree with you then your actions must be =
correct and noble .
Shall we call this your "Nuremberg Defence" well it did not work there =
and it wont work here .
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Finally you have told you sympathisers that I am badgering you ,well Mr =
Deville , if you go around telling lies and slander
about any Company that Company can not afford to have its reputation =
deformed and in my experience it should
be nipped in the bud straight away.
=20
You however refuse to admit your culpability and responsibility for the =
damage you have done to our Company
and therefore we will be proceeding with legal action.
=20
If you have no idea what is involved in this ,let me enlighten you, I =
will ask our lawyer's to take out an injunction
against you and your site www.whitelists.co.uk .
Once this is obtained we will issue a notice to the company who supplies =
you with server space whilst the case=20
is being pursued and I will ask our UK Solicitor to serve "Notice for =
Damages" on you personally ,
I am presuming you are not a Limited Company , This will result in any =
Bank accounts you have being frozen .
=20
These cases can take anything of upwards of Two years and in my =
experience usually more than four ,
This of course will be the end of your site and I hope that your pockets =
are deep and that you have plenty
of free time because you are going to need both ,by the way we are =
insured against this type of action .
=20
Perhaps you would like to save some time and let me have the name and =
address of the Solicitors that=20
will be representing you .
=20
I am sorry that this is the road you have chosen to go down ,I did give =
you plenty of warning and opportunity
to correct your actions but you chose to tough it out ,but as I have =
made clear Speedyking and its Associated
Companies can not afford to have its reputation damaged .
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Alex King .
From Whitelists:=20
to all those concerned=20
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you have previously received my mails regarding a =
certain buisinessman/pornographer called Alex King=20
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As any of you who understand english will know, I =
never accused Mr King as offering an unreputable service, rather I was =
passing=20
on info I had heard and thought you may have been =
concerned.=20
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To any of you who think this unreasonable, I =
apologise=20
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jd=20
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please feel free to send your comments to Alex =
[EMAIL REMOVED] for badgering me on this matter, and =
threatening=20
legal action=20
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For those of you who have no idea what I am talking =
about, please accept my apologies=20
n =20
jd=20
This is a copy of the mail I have sent out - I have not acted =
improperly as you well know - I was simply not prepared to endorse your =
product, and had serious doubts ( as did other members ) regarding it's =
integrity. My reputation is important if I wish to work with the members =
of this site. You will receive no further apology and no further =
correspondence will be entered into
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to all those concerned
you have previously received my mails regarding a certain buisinessman =
called Alex King
As you will know, I never accused Mr King as offering an unreputable =
service, rather I was passing on info I had heard and thought you may =
have been concerned.
To any of you who think this unreasonable, I apologise=20
jd
__________________________________________________
and finally i have just sent these out to my members
____________________________________________________
concerning my previous messages
I am sorry for commenting and passing rumours relating to the business =
practices of Mr Alex King. I should not have done so without proof of =
the matters in hand.
I also apologise for the language I have used in all correspondence in =
this matter.
I felt that I did so in a communal spirit, but accept that I may have =
encouraged some of you to doubt the integrity of his business.
I hope that Mr King feels that this apology is satisfactory and that he =
does not take the case any further.
____________________________________________
plus one addressed to hime
_____________________________________________-
Alex
I have sat and wondered what to respond to this
obviously if your offer is genuine ( and I have no proof that it is ) =
then I am genuinely sorry for passing on information that you see as =
slanderous, I have, in my mind passed this information in writing to all =
my membersafter your fist communication stating that I was only acting =
for the protection of my integrity and for the benefit of my members.
Yes, in my second apology I did call you a pornographer, which was not =
called for, but you also called me a liar and a coward.
I have apologised twice now - I do not know what else you would have =
expected me to do short of endorsing your services, which I practically =
have, by suggesting people try your offer in both mails ( in fact my =
original mail saying I had heard it was probably a con, but if there was =
information to the contrary - let me know )
I have asked previously what you would have me do and I have apologised =
both times, but have also tried to maintain my integrity, wghat do you =
want me to do.
On the question of legal matters- I do not know the first thing about =
legal matters - I am attempting to start off in this industry which was =
one of the reasons for creating the site to add to my c.v. I have no =
assets and obviously no solicitor.
I have again passed on mails to this effect to the 40 members that I =
originally contacted - I am sorry for being rude, but you have also been =
rude to me.
Please tell me what you want other than three apologies, and I hope that =
this matter does not have to go any further - I appreciate that you feel =
that you have lost potential designers, but you would not have been =
aware of them if it were not for my site - and I don't think you were =
concerned about my reputation when you sent spam mails across my site - =
that is what provoked me to send the messages I have
________________________________________________
I realise that with hindsight I should never have opened my mouth, but I =
find it unbelievable thatsomeone who sends spam mail ( I have recieved =
invitations on aweekly basis ) can take legal action against me for =
protecting my integrity and padssing on advice. Also I am pretty much =
unemployed at the moment and the idea of losing the small amount of =
stuff I have is bloody worrying
I appreciate your help
jd
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hi - thaks foryour response here is a =
copy ofall=20
associated mails:
the person in question sent this spam =
mail to a lot=20
of the members on my site-------------------------------Hi =
there,We=20
got your details from White Lists.co.uk.our company is currently =
looking for=20
Quality Designersto join our Webmaster Partnership Agreement and we=20
thoughtthat it may interest you. Would you have any =
objections=20
to working with a companyinvolved in the "Adult Web" =
? We are=20
particularly interested in Designers that can producegraphic =
rich web=20
pages and then Manage their Designs on an ongoing basis and we are =
currently=20
working with severalfrom whitelists . Interested =
? go to=20
our site and read our offer at the base ofpage =
one. Thank You=20
for your time and indulgence.www.speedyking.tv
---------------------------------------
I was asked by one of my members what =
the deal was,=20
I was not happy if someone was going around coning my members as I wish =
to=20
develop the site further. I asked the guy what the deal was - no =
comission but a=20
potential 10 percent of raised revenue - I left it at that after telling =
my=20
member if he wanted to work on that basis - fair enough
I later read on rfeelancers.net that =
someone had=20
come across a scheme similar to this - and it was probably a con - it =
was a very=20
convincing arguemnet - and I passed the info on
_______________________________________________
hello just a quick note =
regarding any=20
messages from alex king involving designing websites for an adult =
market. I have=20
heard from freelancers.net that this is probably a con - don't take my =
word for=20
it - that's just what I heard. If anyone has any further info - please =
let me=20
know and I shall circulate to all members Also post me =
anything you=20
think may be useful and I shall add it to the=20
newsletter jd
__________________________________________________________
He got hold of this mail - either =
he is=20
registered on my site under a different name or someone has forwarded it =
to him.=20
he sent me this reply
___________________________________________________________
please read this =
carefully I created=20
the site site www.whitelists.co.uk out=20
of an honest desire to create a community of people involved in the =
creative=20
arts and hopefully find them some work and contacts. I have tried to =
make this=20
look as professional as possible and have taken care to moderate content =
and=20
formats throughout the site.It is therefore, not part of my plan =
when third=20
party individuals pass emails to all of my participants, and it is =
certainly not=20
part of my plan if (and, notice that I said IF) this offer turns out to =
be=20
dodgy.I sent the email concerning Alex King's offer due to being =
mailed by=20
one of the participating members of whitelists wondering what the deal =
was and=20
if I had any other information. I feel that, to attempt to reflect on my =
attempts at professionalism, that I should make the information I had =
available=20
and did so, clearly stating that these were not my words, but what I had =
heard=20
and that if anyone had any further information, they should contact me =
and I=20
would then circulate this new information. To the person =
involved,=20
I would have preferred that you spoke to me rather than contacting Alex =
King as=20
if I was spreading slanderous lies about his company. I frankly do not =
believe=20
Mr Kings legal threats especially for passing on information I have =
heard. If=20
this business venture is legitimate (I say if, because I do not know), =
then I am=20
sorry for giving this impression. But Alex - read this If =
you had a=20
genuine business proposal to put to my colleagues - why did you not =
speak to me=20
first. If your answer is that the internet should be a free =
medium,=20
to be used by all, then surely I am free to speak to my members about =
any=20
matters that may concern them. After all - I created the site, I did not =
give=20
you permission to use it for your own devices, and any problems that =
arise=20
indirectly from the site reflect on myself and the site (after all, the =
first=20
emails stated that Mr King had contacted everyone from the site)=20
As I hope the site will be useful to our community, this =
matter is=20
obviously incredibly important to me, as I want members of this site to =
feel I=20
am providing a service. At the end of =
the day -=20
Mr King has told you what the deal is - if you want to work on this =
premise -=20
then go for it, and if anyone can show me that they have profited from =
it, I=20
will personally endorse his services. That's an apology =
Alex. I=20
hope you agree that I have not acted out of line. I would be interested =
to heart=20
any responses to this matter jd
________________________________________________________________=
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his reply , demanding another=20
apology___________________________________________
"
Good =
Afternoon,
I have just received a copy =
of the=20
post you have sent to your members.
A bit of advice, if you are =
going to end=20
this thing with your dignity in tact "when your in a hole ,stop=20
digging"
I =
created the site=20
www.whitelists.co.uk out of an honest desire to create a community of =
people=20
involved in the creative arts and hopefully find them some work =
and=20
contacts. I have tried to make this look as professional as possible and =
have=20
taken care to moderate content and formats =
throughout the=20
site. Yes its a fine site and a noble motive=20
.
It=20
is therefore, not part of my plan when third party individuals pass =
emails to=20
all of my participants, and it is certainly not part of =
my plan if=20
(and, notice that I said IF) this offer turns out to be=20
dodgy. You have put the individual artists =
email address=20
there with links,what do you expect prospective employers to=20
do?
Once more you are intimating with no evidence other =
that a=20
post on another site from some individual
expressing their opinion,by using the word "dodgy" =
you are=20
reinforcing your previous post .
I sent the email concerning Alex King's offer due =
to being=20
mailed by one of the participating members of whitelists wondering=20
what the deal was and =
if I had any=20
other information//.
You =
chose to=20
pass on not the information we had supplied to you when you =
contacted us=20
surreptitiously
under the guise of inquiring about the offer for =
yourself,but=20
rather the innuendo that had been expressed on
a private newsgroup by some person that is still =
anonymous to=20
us. Can you recognise a pattern of
underhandedness developing here ?
I feel that, to attempt to reflect on my attempts =
at=20
professionalism, that I should make the=20
information I had available and did so, clearly stating that these were =
not my=20
words//
Again, you=20
confess to spreading rumour ,you may not be aware that under UK law it =
does not=20
matter
where a rumour emanates originally,the person proved =
to be=20
spreading it is liable under the laws of slander
but what I had =
heard and that=20
if anyone had any further =
information, they=20
should contact me and I would then circulate this new=20
information.
And did you receive any information that =
would=20
substantiate your slander? To the person involved, =
I would have=20
preferred that you spoke to me rather than contacting Alex King as if I =
was=20
spreading slanderous lies about =
his company.=20
//
I think you would have been advised to take your own=20
advice,after all you had already made contact with us,
we would have been more than willing to answer all your =
questions=20
as we are willing to answer all our potential
webmaster partners.
Could it be you were not interested in seeking answers only =
interested in spreading rumour .
I=20
frankly do not believe Mr Kings legal threats especially for passing on=20
information I have heard. If this business venture is =
legitimate (I=20
say if, because I do not know), then I am sorry for giving this =
impression. But=20
Alex - read this Read the above my friend and if you think we have not got a =
case then=20
will you please pass on your solicitors=20
address
so that our Lawyers can contact them =
. If=20
you had a genuine business proposal to put to my colleagues - why did =
you not=20
speak to me first. Why should we do that ?could it be =
that our=20
point about you wanting a commission be=20
true,
I am sure your members would like to know about=20
thatIf your answer is that the internet should be a =
free=20
medium, to be used by all, then surely I am free to speak to my members=20
about
any =
matters that may=20
concern them. After all - I created the site, I did not give you =
permission to=20
use it for your own devices, and any problems that arise indirectly from the site reflect =
on myself=20
and the site (after all, the first emails stated that Mr King had=20
contacted everyone from the=20
site) Where on =
your site does=20
it say we need YOUR permission to contact the Email links on your site=20
?
Are your members aware that you have the right to vet the =
offers they=20
receive,aren't you insulting their intelligence=20
or are we really back to you seeking reward=20
?
And again you are intimating that we have the intention of =
making=20
"Problems " for your members . As I hope the =
site will=20
be useful to our community, this matter is obviously incredibly =
important to me,=20
as I want members of this site to feel I am providing a =
service. Then I =
suggest you back=20
off and let your members decide for=20
themselves At the end of the day - Mr King has told =
you what=20
the deal is - if you want to work on this premise - then go for it, and =
if=20
anyone can show me that they have profited =
from it, I=20
will personally endorse his services. That's an apology =
Alex. This is not an apology they are =
Weasel words=20
which once again intimate that designers will not profit from there=20
work. I hope you agree that I have not acted =
out of=20
line. I would be interested to heart any responses to this =
matter I do not agree and =
unless we=20
have a full retraction posted to your members with a copy sent to us by =
close of=20
business
Monday we will go ahead with our legal action=20
.
On a personal level JD I have =
had enough of=20
your unnecessary meddling we have lost one good designer=20
already
because of your posts and I am =
very annoyed=20
.
=
=20
jd
____________________________________________________________________=
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My next apology , which I did call him a pornographer - stupid yes, =
but=20
proked by the above, his response to the mail comes first
____________________________________________________________________=
_____
Mr =
Deville,
Here is a copy of the post you =
really=20
sent.
A cursory glance will prove ,from =
your=20
exclusions ,what I have been intimating all along,that is you are a Liar =
and a=20
stupid man.
Did you think that you could go =
round casting=20
aspersions and lies and we would not find out =
.
In this mail you call me a =
pornographer a term=20
you obviously did not have the courage to use in the copy you sent to=20
me.
You state once again that you are =
"passing on=20
info" this as I have constantly informed you is slander and you have no =
proof=20
of
the validity of your slander. other =
than I=20
notice you are now siting "another similar offer =
that turned=20
out to be a con"
How convenient ,perhaps you would =
like to=20
forward me details of this con so that I can confirm it with its source=20
.
I now see that you are now saying =
that you had=20
no desire to vet your members communications.
This is not what you were saying in =
your=20
previous posts "
"If =
you had a=20
genuine business proposal to put to my colleagues - why did you not =
speak to me=20
first."
Is this not what you said, once more you are proved a =
liar=20
.
You are now suggesting that I canvass your members to =
see if=20
they agree with your actions ,are you implying
that because other people agree with you then your =
actions must=20
be correct and noble .
Shall we call this your "Nuremberg Defence" well it did =
not=20
work there and it wont work here .
Finally you have told you sympathisers that I am =
badgering you=20
,well Mr Deville , if you go around telling lies and=20
slander
about any Company that Company can not afford to have =
its=20
reputation deformed and in my experience it should
be nipped in the bud straight away.
You however refuse to admit your culpability and =
responsibility=20
for the damage you have done to our Company
and therefore we will be proceeding with legal=20
action.
If you have no idea what is involved in this ,let me =
enlighten=20
you, I will ask our lawyer's to take out an =
injunction
against you and your site www.whitelists.co.uk=20
.
Once this is obtained we will issue a notice to the =
company who=20
supplies you with server space whilst the case
is being pursued and I will ask our UK Solicitor to =
serve=20
"Notice for Damages" on you personally ,
I am presuming you are not a Limited Company ,=20
This will result in any Bank accounts you have =
being=20
frozen .
These cases can take anything of upwards of Two years =
and in my=20
experience usually more than four ,
This of course will be the end of your site and I hope =
that=20
your pockets are deep and that you have plenty
of free time because you are going to need both ,by the =
way we=20
are insured against this type of action .
Perhaps you would like to save some time and let me =
have the=20
name and address of the Solicitors that
will be representing you .
I am sorry that this is the road you have chosen to go =
down ,I=20
did give you plenty of warning and opportunity
to correct your actions but you chose to tough it out =
,but as I=20
have made clear Speedyking and its Associated
Companies can not afford to have its reputation damaged =
.
Alex King .
From Whitelists: =
to all those concerned =20
&nb=
sp; =20
you have previously received my mails regarding a certain =
buisinessman/pornographer called Alex King =20
&nb=
sp; =20
As any of you who understand english will know, I never accused Mr King =
as=20
offering an unreputable service, rather I was passing=20
&nb=
sp; =20
on info I had heard and thought you may have been concerned. =20
=20
&nb=
sp; =20
To any of you who think this unreasonable, I apologise =20
&nb=
sp; =20
jd =20
&nb=
sp; =20
please feel free to send your comments to Alex=20
[EMAIL REMOVED] for badgering me on this matter, and =
threatening=20
&nb=
sp; =20
legal action =20
&nb=
sp; =20
For those of you who have no idea what I am talking about, please accept =
my=20
apologies=20
n &nb=
sp; =20
jd
This is a copy of the mail I have =
sent out - I=20
have not acted improperly as you well know - I was simply not prepared =
to=20
endorse your product, and had serious doubts ( as did other members )=20
regarding it's integrity. My reputation is important if I wish to work =
with=20
the members of this site. You will receive no further apology and no =
further=20
correspondence will be entered into
to all those concerned
you have previously received my mails =
regarding a=20
certain buisinessman called Alex King
As you will know, I never =
accused Mr King as=20
offering an unreputable service, rather I was passing on info I had =
heard and=20
thought you may have been concerned.
To any of you who think this =
unreasonable, I=20
apologise
jd
__________________________________________________
and finally i have just sent these out to my members
____________________________________________________
concerning my previous =
messages
I am sorry for commenting and passing =
rumours=20
relating to the business practices of Mr Alex King. I =
should not=20
have done so without proof of the matters in hand.
I also apologise for the language I have used in all correspondence =
in this=20
matter.
I felt that I did so in a communal spirit, but accept that I may =
have=20
encouraged some of you to doubt the integrity of his business.
I hope that Mr King feels that this apology is satisfactory and =
that he=20
does not take the case any further.
____________________________________________
plus one addressed to hime
_____________________________________________-
Alex
I have sat and wondered what to respond =
to=20
this
obviously if your offer is genuine ( =
and I have no=20
proof that it is ) then I am genuinely sorry for passing on information =
that you=20
see as slanderous, I have, in my mind passed this information in writing =
to all=20
my membersafter your fist communication stating that I was only acting =
for the=20
protection of my integrity and for the benefit of my =
members.
Yes, in my second apology I did call =
you a=20
pornographer, which was not called for, but you also called me a liar =
and a=20
coward.
I have apologised twice now - I do not =
know what=20
else you would have expected me to do short of endorsing your services, =
which I=20
practically have, by suggesting people try your offer in both mails ( in =
fact my=20
original mail saying I had heard it was probably a con, but if there was =
information to the contrary - let me know )
I have asked previously what you would =
have me do=20
and I have apologised both times, but have also tried to maintain my =
integrity,=20
wghat do you want me to do.
On the question of legal matters- I do =
not know the=20
first thing about legal matters - I am attempting to start off in this =
industry=20
which was one of the reasons for creating the site to add to my c.v. I =
have no=20
assets and obviously no solicitor.
I have again passed on mails to this =
effect to the=20
40 members that I originally contacted - I am sorry for being rude, but =
you have=20
also been rude to me.
Please tell me what you want other than =
three=20
apologies, and I hope that this matter does not have to go any further - =
I=20
appreciate that you feel that you have lost potential designers, but you =
would=20
not have been aware of them if it were not for my site - and I don't =
think you=20
were concerned about my reputation when you sent spam mails across my =
site -=20
that is what provoked me to send the messages I have
________________________________________________
I realise that with hindsight I should never have opened my mouth, =
but I=20
find it unbelievable thatsomeone who sends spam mail ( I have recieved=20
invitations on aweekly basis ) can take legal action against me for =
protecting=20
my integrity and padssing on advice. Also I am pretty much unemployed at =
the=20
moment and the idea of losing the small amount of stuff I have is bloody =
worrying
I appreciate your help
jd
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