Re: FN-FORUM Bad Webdesign

date posted 1st February 2002 18:36

Don't go off on one without reading the second paragraph...

Web sites need to work...

Web sites also need to look good...

That's what I think, if you can't see the content then there's no point it
existing...

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "jd" [EMAIL REMOVED]
To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: FN-FORUM Bad Webdesign


> jesus - please listen to what i said and firstly - i never mentioned the
> attik site as a bloody good site just agreed that it was hardly as crappy
as
> everyone said
>
> my point is that it all depends on who you are aiming your product at - i
am
> not a pro web designer - i am an illustrator / print / photographer who
> dabbles in the web - i am a visual designer as opposed to technical (web)
> and therefore i want my site to look good above anything else - as i am
not
> trying to appeal to a mass audience - only people i want to work with in
the
> above capacity - ease of use is less important than the look
>
> you say without designing good pictures/graphics - has no effect - you
> cannot seriously say that the visual appearance of a site has no
> implications - again i want to stress that i am offering visual
services -
> so it has huge implications for me
>
> i know what you are getting at - but you have to concede it depends on
what
> and who you are trying to influence
>
> hmmm?
>
> john
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David McEwen" [EMAIL REMOVED]
> To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 4:46 PM
> Subject: Re: FN-FORUM Bad Webdesign
>
>
> > I completely agree with that, but if you see a web site, don't point it
> out
> > as a one of the best, or say these guys are the best in the world at
> > designing tea pots therefore what can you say that's negative about
their
> > web site, unless the web site actually works well.
> >
> > Not aim specifically you John, just included your email because I agree
> with
> > it.
> >
> > What is king? Content, navigation or design?
> >
> > Without designing content there's no point in the web site in the first
> > place.
> > Without designing good navigation people can't find their way around the
> > site.
> > Without designing good background pictures, people can't... I can't
think
> > of anything
> >
> > Bearing in mind that the word designing appeared in every sentence then
> > design must be king....
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jd" [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 3:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: FN-FORUM Bad Webdesign
> >
> >
> > > regarding navigation/simplicity etc .... you are making some very good
> > > points and i am not disagreeing with any of them - but many of you
seem
> to
> > > be arguing that a site should be designed for the lowest common
> > denominator
> > > (slow modem so few graphics, smalll screen, text navigation etc...).
> This
> > i
> > > feel limits your creativity and I would not really be happy producing
> > > somethingthat did not look good (again let me clarify that webdesign
is
> > not
> > > my main area of work). I frankly think that people should update their
> > > vbrowsers/plug-ins so they can view good graphical sites - but again
as
> i
> > > originally said it depends what you are looking for - if you are
> designing
> > a
> > > commercial site and you want the maximum audience - obviously what i
> just
> > > said is not practical - but in the case of interactive graphic design
> > > showcases - it is because you want to show the viewer what you are
> capable
> > > of
> > >
> > > john
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Paul J White" [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > > To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 2:36 PM
> > > Subject: Re: FN-FORUM Bad Webdesign
> > >
> > >
> > > > > This is , I think, a major issue . How much should we expect web
> users
> > > to
> > > > > have learnt about the basics of browsing ?
> > > > >
> > > > Not a lot and that goes for clients, too!
> > > >
> > > > > Do we have a responsibility to stick to common conventions to
speed
> up
> > > > the
> > > > > learning process for the great unwebbed ?
> > > >
> > > > Precisely! They will never learn the basics of browsing if you keep
> > moving
> > > > the goal posts (ie navigation conventions etc) Could you learn to
type
> > if
> > > > different people came in and started muddling up the keys? Now,
qwerty
> > > > doesn't do much for me but at least it will be the same when I have
to
> > buy
> > > a
> > > > new keyboard...
> > > > And... I wouldn't want to go as far as Jacob Nielsen, or all sites
> would
> > > > look the same (ish) but I am coming to believe that useability is a
> BIG
> > > > THING and a good thing, and we should be as aware of it when
building
> > > sites,
> > > > as most of us are becoming about SEO.
> > > >
> > > > That's my opinion, if you don't like it I have others!
> > > >
> > > > Paul.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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