Re: FN-FORUM [OT] Hunting and Countryside (was drip dry moby)

date posted 26th September 2002 16:47

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Subject: Re: FN-FORUM [OT] Hunting and Countryside (was drip dry moby)


> talking of higher salaries - yes if you are fortunate to be in selective
> industries/on the management ladder - but there are a hell of a lot aof
> people living on minimum wage in urban areas combined with the higher cost
> of living is a pretty valid point i think
>

perhaps, but what about someone in a rural area on a minimum wage who has to
spend an absolute fortune to get to/from work and can't afford a house
because some one who has sold a ludicrously over valued house in a city has
just pushed market rates well beyond hope.

> re:
> > I think you've probably gathered by now that I've little time for the
> > frequently unthought through arguments about the city being so
expensive.
> > Also, remember, that the average townie wouldn't even consider going
into
> > the country unless they could change it into the city (not uncommon).
The
> > average country person wouldn't ever consider going to the city unless
> they
> > had no choice, which most of us don't.
>
> to say that my opinion is unthought through is frankly insulting - i have
a
> different view that is all
>
I didn't intend to say that you felt that way, just that that is a view of
many people who don't bother to stop, think and find out; a little like the
talk of rich farmers, rich southerners and honest agents (sorry bout the
last one, I know a few, but its a dig that is hard to resist :) ).

I'm sorry that I didn't spend more time clarifying the point.

> re: hunting hounds - as far as i am aware, hunting hounds are shot at what
> is considered to be the end of their working life which is about three or
> four years old - they are not kept as pets as they do not make good pets -
> so i would disagree with what you said below:
>
> BTW. I know of a number of hunts, horse and foot, where the dogs are well
> loved and live a decently long and well cared for life. Also, many of
these
> dogs are far better cared for than many domestic animals where you only
need
> to talk to a vet or PDSA officer to realise how badly cared for they can
be.
>

Well, I know of hunts that don't act so barbarically. You saw 'as far as i
am aware', which implies that perhaps you don't actually know of any
directly. I don know of some where this is not the case and I also know of
others that will almost certainly act in the manner you describe.

> Anyone who knows otherwise and i will apologise for being misinformed -
but
> my basic point is that evryone has problems wether they are in the city or
> in the town - this reminds me of when i was living in Northumberland and
> everyone talks about how they hate southerners because they are all
> comparatively well off - bollocks - go to cornwall - have a look
>

There are problems everywhere. If the city was so great, I wouldn't be
trying so hard to get away from it; (though that said, it is mostly the
attitudes of people that cause the problems). But let it be said that many
of a city's inhabitants wouldn't ever consider going into the country and
are the cause of many of their own problems. While I know it is likely to
cause a storm in itself, but could it not be interesting to look at the view
that it is the inhabitants of cities (in the form of large
corporations/organisations) that are making the rural life harder by
absorbing smaller businesses or making them uneconomic, and then shutting
them down because they are not profitable in a large corporate view? While a
small shop may have been enough for a family to live on, it is not enough
for all the management and a couple of staff, so of course they get shut.

Or South Wales, which is also South, or rural areas near London etc. Anyway,
aren't all those northeners miserable, grey individuals who will all die
early because they only eat pie and chips???

(again :) )

The main thing is that most people are only concerned with their immediate
environment and too lazy to look at other areas and ways of living or
thinking. This is the kind of attitude that keeps bad politicians, arms
dealers and undertakers in business. I just wish people would be more
willing to open their eyes and their minds rather than just acting as
'echos' to their peers or the media which is where much of the (often ill
informed) attitudes and social stereotyping come from.