Re: FN-FORUM [OT] Hunting (was: drip dry moby)

date posted 26th September 2002 18:34

I may have missed the point entirely so i do Apologise if I have however...

I used to paint antique etchings for the US market with fox hunting scenes.
The most nasty of which were not sellable.
Namely the cutting off of the tail of the fox, and marking the
youngest/newest riders faces with the blood, and dipping the tail into the
punch (drink) afterwards.

I suspect the practice does not go on anymore, but I find it hard to
believe that a pack of half starved (and they are to make them keener)
hounds are going to leave the captured fox in one piece until the huntsman
reaches it after ganging up on it over hill and dale.

....And as we all know its far more economical to have tens of hunting
horses and hounds and houndsmen and stables and hunting gear and race over
anyones land smashing fences and trampling fields, to eradicate the menace
of foxes and their pesilance, than it is to send one marksman with a gun to
shoot them. (Since poison as we all know would kill all wildlife
indiscriminatley.)

'Sport' - it says it all doesn't it? one little fox against a group of men
on horseback plus a team of trained dogs, what could be more SPORTING than
that??? hmmm?

la-de-da..

there... all aired and refreshed,
again if I have missed the point many apologies..

Shaf

----- Original Message -----
From: "Darran Shepherd" [EMAIL REMOVED]
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Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 12:18 PM
Subject: RE: FN-FORUM [OT] Hunting (was: drip dry moby)


> > In an ideal world, yes, but its not an ideal world and of
> > course there are cases where dogs arent trained properly,
> > where foxes are wounded then escape, foxes exscape to die of
> > exhaution later, and so on.
>
> True, it's not an ideal world. Unfortunately I don't have any figures
> to hand to quote in support of my argument. All I can rely on is
> personal experience in listening to accounts from very proficient
> marksmen and stalkers who've regrettably just winged a fox and not
> killed it.
>
> > I was under the impression that the ban was there to prevent
> > unecessary cruelty - e.g. chasing for sport. Flushing animals
> > and shooting is only justifiable where there is an actual
> > problem with foxes - as its a new law there is probably a few
> > grey areas that are being exploited currently.
>
> I don't get the impression that there's a grey area being exploited at
> all. The whole point is that the ban hasn't worked. It's stopped some
> people from joining in the hunt for fear of recrimination, but in the
> end, more foxes are being chased and more are being shot. The worst
> thing being that as the law now states that they have to be shot, which
> when a fox is being chased by a pack of hounds isn't an easy thing to
> do, the incidences of what could be called cruelty - a fox being chased,
> shot and injured and later dieing from it's injuries - have increased,
> not decreased.
>
> > Drag racing fulfill the requirements of the 'sport' aspect.
> > Farmers son with a rifle and some patience fulfills the
> > 'ridding of vermin' with no damage to fields etc. I fail to
> > see where there is any need for crossover between the two.
>
> Yes, together they do both fulfil those requirements.
>
> > As
> > for land, im sure there are areas with enough rich landowners
> > and hunt supporting farmers for it to be viable, they just
> > have to stick to their own lands.
>
> My point though, is that the cost and inconvenience caused by the hunt
> is shouldered because a service is being provided to them. They won't
> allow the damage if there is no service being provided. They will get
> someone to sit up for the fox and they'll ban the drag hunters from
> their land.
>
> Darran.
>
>
>
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