Re: FN-FORUM [OT] Hunting (was: drip dry moby)

date posted 27th September 2002 20:39

I'm saying nothing. You might get flamed by others but not by me. I'm
originally from Leicestershire...

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Kathy
http://www.vendetta.co.uk
DNRC Minister for Useful but Irritating Information and Trivia
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Darran Shepherd" [EMAIL REMOVED]
To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 10:58 AM
Subject: RE: FN-FORUM [OT] Hunting (was: drip dry moby)


> Ah ha! At last, a debate I can get my teeth into. Last time I got a
> good go at this I was arguing on this topic for the debate team at
> school. ;)
>
> > There may be a ban on hunting in scotland, but i am sure I
> > saw news coverage
> > the other day that showed an estate in Scotland still going
> > ahead with a
> > hunt. The hounds were used to flush the fox out and a guy
> > with gun was
> > there to shoot the fox when found. Anyone else see this?
>
> It's the Buccleuch estate in Dumfriesshire. Where I live as it happens.
>
> The issue is that hunting with dogs is banned in Scotland. However,
> flushing animals to be shot is not.
>
> The result is that since the start of the ban, more foxes are now being
> killed.
>
> The argument for vermin control is that foxes are naturally fearful of
> humans (well in the countryside, not really the ferral foxes) and won't
> go near them. But, when a fox gets old or sick, it will get hungry
> enough to risk it, come into a farm and eat the chickens. Well, it'll
> kill all of them and eat one. Not that it's evil, it's just it's
> natural instinct, if there are prey about, it'll kill them - normally
> they get the hell out but not if it's inside a chicken coop.
>
> When a hunt goes after a fox, it'll track a single fox. If it's
> healthy, the hounds and riders won't have a chance to get near it.
> It'll get away. If it's a problem fox (ill, old, etc.) the hounds will
> kill it.
>
> A misconception is that they then rip the thing to pieces. In fact,
> there hounds are trained to surround the fox, whilst there are two or
> three that are trained to go in for the kill. They go for the neck,
> kill it outright. It's just the choice of the anti-hunt protestors to
> show video evidence of AFTER the kill when the fox is genrally thrown to
> the hounds for them to do what they will (read rip it to pieces).
>
> Anyway, back to Scotland. As they're not allowed to hunt mammals with
> dogs, but are allowed to use dogs to flush quarry, this is what they do:
> Much like a pheasant shoot, there will be a row of men with shotguns at
> the bottom of a wood. The hounds and riders start at the top, moving
> down through the wood, flushing any and all foxes in the wood. When
> they run out of the other end of the wood, they all get shot.
>
> So, before hunt ban: One hunt, one or zero foxes killed. After the ban
> imposed to protect the cuddly little foxes: One hunt, maybe five to ten
> foxes killed.
>
> As for the Liberty march, my father was there. It took them two and a
> half hours to get from the coach drop of point, quarter of a mile to the
> start. An hour to get along the route of the march to Westminster
> bridge and eventually goodness knows how long to get a drink in the pub
> next to the bridge ;) 400,000 people finished the march there and the
> pub had 5 bar staff :) And no, I saw very little coverage. Admitedly,
> I was driving down to Stratford on the Sunday afternoon/evening, so
> didn't see any TV until the Monday. But I was surprised that the BBC
> breakfast news show didn't mention it once in the hour and a half that I
> was watching.
>
> Drag hunting. Yeah, it's great. The problem is where to do it. When a
> fox is taking chickens, pheasants, etc. from a farm or estate the land
> owner is more than happy to suffer the problems of a hunt on his land to
> get rid of the damn thing. When they're not providing a service to him
> by ridding him of a predator he doesn't want the hastle and cost of
> fixing fences and the like because a load of horses just jumped it and
> broke it while they were chasing a guy with a sack of smelly cloths on
> his back.
>
> Well, that should get you guys started. I will await the flames and
> prepare my responses. ;)
>
> Darran.
>
>
>
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