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Re: FN-FORUM junior forum suggestion
date posted 29th September 2002 15:48
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I=B9ve been watching the forum for a little while, and thought it was time to
post. :)
I would say that there are advantages to having a degree in a design relate=
d
subject. I=B9ve got a BA in Visual Communication, which meant I specialised i=
n
Graphic Design for 3 years and New Media Design for my final year degree
show. The skills and ideologies in design that I learnt while studying are
invaluable to me. Though I think that the commercial experience I have had
have been incredibly useful also, helping me to learn and develop beyond th=
e
basis I developed at art school. A degree isn=B9t a substitute for creativity
and talent though. And the con=B9s about studying a degree is that you spend =
4
years slogging your guts out, aren=B9t necessarily going to get a job out of
it in the end, and most likely have a lot of student debts to pay for. A
degree from the art school as well as the local interest in my degree show
helped me to find employment when I graduated, and is still useful to me no=
w
when looking for work.
There are organisations such as the chartered society of designers
http://www.csd.org.uk/ which offer support and the opportunity for a
designer to become chartered, providing they get through the assessment
criteria. It isn=B9t something I have considered joining yet though. Partly
because of the fee and also because I want to develop my portfolio further
first.=20
As for as criticism goes, if you ask for it you have to be prepared to take
what=B9s coming to you. You don=B9t have to agree or implement advice, part of
the point about being a designer is that you can make design judgements
confidently. Site checks are often great in case you have overlooked
something or you are so close to your outcome that you can=B9t really see it
anymore. Often someone looking at it for the first time with fresh eyes,
will suggest something you hadn=B9t thought of. But you can=B9t be so close to =
a
design that it is precious enough to you that criticism offends.
Beth
_____________________________________________
Beth Sutherland
Graphic and New Media Designer
learn create explore
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/beffyp/
_____________________________________________
On 29/9/02 11:04 am, "phil radford" [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
> Hi all,
> after reading yesterdays postings about professions and people with a les=
ser
> amount of knowledge than others, I think it would be a good idea to separ=
ate
> the forum into two halves.
>=20
> People new to web design come into the forum for help and advice in bette=
ring
> themselves.
> Those "newbie's" similar in education to myself (lack of coding knowledge=
)
> submit "site check" postings and although more often than not get good
> feedback and very helpful suggestions, sometimes do not, sometimes I thin=
k the
> more educated and experienced designers knock "newbie's" and perhaps even=
put
> them off pursuing this career line altogether.
> Those guys and girls could well of been far better designers than anyone =
in
> the forum and even though they only perhaps took an intensive training co=
urse
> in web design may of had the talent to go far.
> You dont have to have a degree or whatever to be good at what you do that=
is a
> crock of s**t.
> So in seperating the forum and providing a jun! ior or "newbie" section c=
ould
> create an all round better solution for senior and junior web designers.
> This would also stop some of the bitterness that goes on in the main foru=
m
> from frustrated so called helpful web design critics.
> Discuss anyone?
> Phil
>=20
>=20
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Re: FN-FORUM junior forum suggestion
I’ve been watching the forum for =
a little while, and thought it was time to post. :)
I would say that there are advantages to having a degree in a design relate=
d subject. I’ve got a BA in Visual Communication, which meant I specia=
lised in Graphic Design for 3 years and New Media Design for my final year d=
egree show. The skills and ideologies in design that I learnt while studying=
are invaluable to me. Though I think that the commercial experience I have =
had have been incredibly useful also, helping me to learn and develop beyond=
the basis I developed at art school. A degree isn’t a substitute for =
creativity and talent though. And the con’s about studying a degree is=
that you spend 4 years slogging your guts out, aren’t necessarily goi=
ng to get a job out of it in the end, and most likely have a lot of student =
debts to pay for. A degree from the art school as well as the local interest=
in my degree show helped me to find employment when I graduated, and is sti=
ll useful to me now when looking for work.
There are organisations such as the chartered society of designers http://w=
ww.csd.org.uk/ which offer support and the opportunity for a designer to bec=
ome chartered, providing they get through the assessment criteria. It isn=
217;t something I have considered joining yet though. Partly because of the =
fee and also because I want to develop my portfolio further first.
As for as criticism goes, if you ask for it you have to be prepared to take=
what’s coming to you. You don’t have to agree or implement advi=
ce, part of the point about being a designer is that you can make design jud=
gements confidently. Site checks are often great in case you have overlooked=
something or you are so close to your outcome that you can’t really s=
ee it anymore. Often someone looking at it for the first time with fresh eye=
s, will suggest something you hadn’t thought of. But you can’t b=
e so close to a design that it is precious enough to you that criticism offe=
nds.
Beth
_____________________________________________
Beth Sutherland
Graphic and New Media Designer
learn create explore
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/beffyp/
_____________________________________________
On 29/9/02 11:04 am, "phil radford" [EMAIL REMOVED]
gt; wrote:
Hi all,
after reading yesterdays postings about professions and people with a lesse=
r amount of knowledge than others, I think it would be a good idea to separa=
te the forum into two halves.
People new to web design come into the forum for help and advice in betteri=
ng themselves.
Those "newbie's" similar in education to myself (lack of coding k=
nowledge) submit "site check" postings and although more often tha=
n not get good feedback and very helpful suggestions, sometimes do not, some=
times I think the more educated and experienced designers knock "newbie=
's" and perhaps even put them off pursuing this career line altogether.=
Those guys and girls could well of been far better designers than anyone in=
the forum and even though they only perhaps took an intensive training cour=
se in web design may of had the talent to go far.
You dont have to have a degree or whatever to be good at what you do that i=
s a crock of s**t.
So in seperating the forum and providing a jun! ior or "newbie" s=
ection could create an all round better solution for senior and junior web d=
esigners.
This would also stop some of the bitterness that goes on in the main forum =
from frustrated so called helpful web design critics.
Discuss anyone?
Phil
MSN Photos is the easiest way to sha=
re and print your photos: Click Here <http://g.msn.com/1HM1ENUK/c156??PI=3D=
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