RE: FN-FORUM: Fw: one for the developers to chew over :-)

date posted 27th June 2003 07:56

Is Bob still there?

Andrew

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>My current day job (20 hours a week for the Financial Services Authority) is
>with their service delivery team. We have final say on what is allowed onto
>a production box be it an existing system or new system. We are involved in
>all stages of a project from initial ideas meeting through user
>specification to initial design and always impose a through testing regime.
>We do not have the time to support a rogue product on top of our day to day
>fettling/tuning/fixing etc. If a system has not been properly tested we do
>not accept it as simple as that. We are obviously luck in that we have an IT
>director who has managed many projects in the past and realises the
>importance of testing and is willing to fight the rest of the FSA board on
>the subject - but it does mean we have stable systems - little egg on face
>for the FSA as a whole and generally speaking we, as the service delivery
>unit, are able to throw the shite at someone else's fan when a project is
>late.
>
>Yes I agree it is all about education, but then I consider that to be part
>of any service I supply.
>
>Guy Weatherburn
>The e-Guy Limited
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>Sent: 27 June 2003 07:24
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>I've only been involved in computer development since 1982 - a mere
>stripling compared to Guy!
>
>For the last 10 years I've worked for several large blue chip companies in
>large developments as well as freelancing.
>
>Though all these outfits (and I'm talking household names here) have test
>protocols that include Unit Tests, System tests, UAT, Deployment Testing,
>etc. what usually happens is the developers put in a request for say 3
>months testing. The business end of things fail to deliver the specs and
>stuff on time and are 6 weeks late. Rather than change the deadline what
>then happens is the testing period is halved to keep the same deadline.
>
>In other words, what is theoretically carried out rarely is.
>
>I can charge customers as much as I like but if they won't move their
>deadline then I have the choice of either living with their deadline or
>walking away from the business. And being 'the Pecos Kid' of development I
>obviously strive to keep to their deadline in true cowboy manner and deliver
>the best system that can be delivered in that time.
>
>I would agree that dodgy development is an issue, but realistically a MAJOR
>issue here is also that customers and users have to be realistic about
>keeping testing time sacrosanct, and that they should be aware that it is an
>integral part of the development process. It's an education issue.
>
>Joe
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>> Having worked with computer since 1978 (big mainframe - flashing lights
>just
>> like in those old sci-fi movies). I work on the principle that nothing
>gets
>> anywhere near the live/production system until it has been through unit
>> testing, system testing, user testing and user acceptance testing.
>Generally
>> speaking everything should then be stable. User testing is easier and
>faster
>> than ever with judicious use of 'dyndns' a broadband connection and a
>> machine capable of serving a web site. Anyone who works any other way is
>> just not acting professional and unfortunately tends to get all of us the
>> tag of 'cowboy' as a result. If you do not have the time to do this you
>are
>> not charging your customers enough.
>>
>> Guy Weatherburn
>> The e-Guy Limited
>> Phone: 01793-873514
>> Mobile: 07968-535474
>> Web: http://www.e-guy.co.uk
>>
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>> Behalf Of C h r i s G a r c i a - O Art - moving image art...
>> Sent: 26 June 2003 15:48
>> To: FN-FORUM / [EMAIL REMOVED]
>> Subject: FN-FORUM: Fw: one for the developers to chew over :-)
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>>
>>
>> I'd like hear your views on this:
>>
>> ---------
>> Developers the new danger to websites
>> As anyone who works on computers knows, websites are more likely to crash
>on
>> a Monday morning than at any other time. Monday morning isn't the time
>when
>> most hackers or viruses are most active but this is when developers come
>in
>> and implement ideas that they had over the weekend.
>> The enterprise applications specialist Attenda conducted research and data
>> was taken from 70 of the UK's leading sites between January and March
>2003.
>> Results showed that faults and issues are more likely to occur on a Monday
>> morning than at any other time. It also demonstrates that a little
>knowledge
>> is a dangerous thing as it is reported that development staff are now a
>> bigger threat to website uptime than hackers and viruses.
>> -------------
>>
>> and you can take it out on these ppl -> http://www.prosperity4.com/
>>
>> Christopher Garcia
>>
>> (Producer)
>> -------------------
>> O ART:: moving image art - buy online @ www.oart.co.uk
>>
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