Re: FN-FORUM: innovative web video

date posted 1st October 2003 15:21

Only a developer would say that - lol


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Adamson" [EMAIL REMOVED]
To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 3:13 PM
Subject: RE: FN-FORUM: innovative web video


>
> You could say both, or neither
>
> More of a fixer / problem solver / traffic builder
>
> Whatever it takes to get a website earning money
>
> Why?
>
> Mike
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL REMOVED] [EMAIL REMOVED] Behalf Of dave
> > martin
> > Sent: 01 October 2003 16:04
> > To: FN-FORUM / [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > Subject: Re: FN-FORUM: innovative web video
> >
> >
> >
> > mike you a designer or developer?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mike Adamson" [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 2:54 PM
> > Subject: RE: FN-FORUM: innovative web video
> >
> >
> > >
> > > So the future of the web for you is rich media.. fair enough
> > >
> > > For my future... I'll go with rapid transfer of information to a
varity of
> > mobile devices, and that could include flash, BUT NOT THE
> > > WHOLE FRIGGING SHITTY SITE and not for some time yet
> > >
> > > time will tell who is right...
> > >
> > > > Why the hell not, that's so anal. If you want an indian takeaway
> > delivered,
> > > > you have to pick up a phone to get it (unless you're using some
kind of
> > > > ESP)
> > > ??? eh?
> > >
> > > Or the web and a search engine :P and I bet they dont have a flash
shite
> > >
> > > > Thats poetry - a real gem! ..............coz there's no such thing
as a
> > > > shit HTML site is there?
> > >
> > > Of course there is! loads of em... a web for all, problem?
> > >
> > > In the mean time I have 10 years of HTML, so you reckon, (or its
varients)
> > to work with
> > >
> > > TTFN
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL REMOVED] [EMAIL REMOVED] Behalf Of Dan
> > > > Cook
> > > > Sent: 01 October 2003 15:34
> > > > To: FN-FORUM / [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > > > Subject: Re: FN-FORUM: innovative web video
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mike wrote..........> Oh, god here we go....
> > > >
> > > > What! I'm not the only one here.......guys? and why say 'here we
go?'
> > it's
> > > > an important issue in our industry.
> > > >
> > > > > HTML -> the WEB -> get it?
> > > >
> > > > No I don't - HTML is outmoded and it's demise is inevitable. Within
10
> > years
> > > > html will be gone. It was never meant as a language for building
rich
> > > > interactive media experiences. (you're not Jakob Nielsen are you?) -
> > Talking
> > > > of J.N. - his site has me on the floor laughing
http://www.useit.com/ <
> > is
> > > > that the future of the web? If it is I'm off down the pub.
> > > >
> > > > > And exactly why should your informative, well designed (a
> > contradiction in
> > > > terms IMO) flash site do well? because all the text is in
> > > > > the SWF, bollox that means you need flash player installed.... why
> > should
> > > > anyone be told what to do with there browser / os /
> > > > > programs?
> > > >
> > > > Why the hell not, that's so anal. If you want an indian takeaway
> > delivered,
> > > > you have to pick up a phone to get it (unless you're using some
kind of
> > > > ESP). You need a browser to view an html site (piece of software).
Many
> > new
> > > > PCs (soon all) have flash player pre-installed anyway. At the moment
swf
> > > > offers the best potential for media rich sites and if you don't have
> > flash
> > > > player installed, tough. It takes a few seconds to install, its
free - I
> > > > don't see a problem.
> > > >
> > > > > Thats life and its better than loads of shite flashy sites
clogging up
> > the
> > > > best search technology on the planet :P
> > > >
> > > > Thats poetry - a real gem! ..............coz there's no such thing
as a
> > > > shit HTML site is there?
> > > >
> > > > Dan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Mike Adamson" [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > > > To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:40 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: FN-FORUM: innovative web video
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, god here we go....
> > > > >
> > > > > [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote;
> > > > >
> > > > > > As for the fact that we have to bow down to google to get
listed -
> > that
> > > > > > really annoys me. Google is completely facist and discrimintave
in
> > the
> > > > way
> > > > > > that it works and this is something that needs to change SOON.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bow down? what planet you on?
> > > > >
> > > > > [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote;
> > > > > > I can design a site thats completely full of shit and have it
come
> > top
> > > > of search
> > > > > > engines because I made it in a certain way and my well designed
> > > > informative
> > > > > > flash based site wont appear. That's outrageous.
> > > > >
> > > > > And exactly why should your informative, well designed (a
> > contradiction in
> > > > terms IMO) flash site do well? because all the text is in
> > > > > the SWF, bollox that means you need flash player installed.... why
> > should
> > > > anyone be told what to do with there browser / os /
> > > > > programs?
> > > > >
> > > > > HTML -> the WEB -> get it?
> > > > >
> > > > > Websites using Flash should use it only in the bits you need, not
the
> > > > whole frigging thing.. the quicker people realise this the
> > > > > better Google will get at indexing these sites and returning your
'now
> > > > better designed' site above the shite
> > > > >
> > > > > [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote;
> > > > > >That's outrageous.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thats life and its better than loads of shite flashy sites
clogging up
> > the
> > > > best search technology on the planet :P
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: [EMAIL REMOVED] [EMAIL REMOVED] Behalf Of
Dan
> > > > > > Cook
> > > > > > Sent: 01 October 2003 14:00
> > > > > > To: FN-FORUM / [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > > > > > Subject: Re: FN-FORUM: innovative web video
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What!? To be a trend setter you don't necessarily have to adhere
to
> > > > > > accessibility. I'n fact, to use your analogy they can say 'if
you
> > don't
> > > > want
> > > > > > to wear a tie to get in, then f**k off!' Trend setters are for
the
> > most
> > > > part
> > > > > > innovators, that is they break rules in order to push boundries.
I'm
> > not
> > > > > > looking for sites that are accessible to all - as long as 'I'
can
> > see
> > > > them I
> > > > > > don't give a monkeys. If I'm designing a site where
accessibility is
> > an
> > > > > > important issue thats different. Why does everything have to be
> > bloody
> > > > > > accessible?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As for the fact that we have to bow down to google to get
listed -
> > that
> > > > > > really annoys me. Google is completely facist and discrimintave
in
> > the
> > > > way
> > > > > > that it works and this is something that needs to change SOON.
The
> > > > > > technology is there to read text inside swfs so they should use
it
> > (ok
> > > > they
> > > > > > have just started to experiment with this but it's not good
enough).
> > I
> > > > can
> > > > > > design a site thats completely full of shit and have it come top
of
> > > > search
> > > > > > engines because I made it in a certain way and my well designed
> > > > informative
> > > > > > flash based site wont appear. That's outrageous.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dan
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Richard Bennett" [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > > > > > To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:22 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: FN-FORUM: innovative web video
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > I didn't actually see the site because it required me to
install a
> > new
> > > > > > > flashplayer , which is the same as telling me I have to wear a
tie
> > to
> > > > > > enter
> > > > > > > a restaurant - I only do it if I really need to.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is however a perfect example of how they have forgone the
basic
> > > > steps
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > accessibility, in the rush to be trend-setters.
> > > > > > > I guess they decided their market were teens, who would be
sure to
> > > > have
> > > > > > > full-spec PCs.
> > > > > > > In the meantime they forgot about teens surfing on their
mobile,
> > > > > > > parents/grandparents wanting to buy a present, and
search-engines.
> > > > > > > How will they get traffic without search-engine listing?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > They might get some visitors searching for the term 'loader'
> > though:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.google.com/search?q=www.baconskateboards.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > might be some kind of skateboarding phrase I guess...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Deborah Causton" [EMAIL REMOVED]
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:53 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: FN-FORUM: innovative web video
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Theres a new skateboard site done in Flash MX 2004 (7)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Pretty cool..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.baconskateboards.com/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > other then that nothing comes to mind...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Deborah
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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