Freelancers Forum Messages on Saturday December 20th 2003
FN-FORUM: (OT) sad end for the Star Wars kid
date posted 20th December 2003 23:18
http://www.atomicphuse.com/temp/globeandmailstory.html
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Deborah
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RE: FN-FORUM: Sage Line 50 question
date posted 20th December 2003 23:00
Some years back m$ did try to buy intuit to use quicken/quickbooks as =
the
base for their microsoft money project. IMO Sage is a complete pile of
sh*t, when it crashes (and it is when not if), the d...
Re: FN-FORUM: NEW CSS or Tables - the middle ground [OT]
date posted 20th December 2003 21:18
> It's at http://217.42.211.32/ims/admin/Menu.asp (Ignore the crap graphics
> though :-) )
Hey Dani,
How do you rate Advanced Content Editor ? I had a look YusASP.com a while
ago and saw it - have...
Re: FN-FORUM: Sage Line 50 question
date posted 20th December 2003 20:32
Believe me, Sage is much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much,
much, much, much worse than MS could ever be. I know enough people who work
there (Sage and MS) to state that as a fact. All a...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 18:57
>We've started on the xmas Baileys here...
I try and stay away from that stuff coz it's so easy to drink the whole
bottle 'by accident' and I'm supposed to be watching my weight. ;-)
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Re: FN-FORUM: NEW CSS or Tables - the middle ground
date posted 20th December 2003 18:51
danny kiernan wrote:
>
> That's quite a useful and informative doc - never heard of divitis before.
>
Yeah, nice one Tony - that's a good summary of a lot of the problematic
issues, very useful!...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 18:34
Dan Cook wrote:
> Dark rum is also dark because its made from molasses.
> Woods is my all time fave. Just don't touch Lambs, as it's like salty cats
> piss.
>
Never having drunk salty cats pits, I'l...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 18:28
Dark rum is also dark because its made from molasses.
Woods is my all time fave. Just don't touch Lambs, as it's like salty cats
piss.
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RE: FN-FORUM: Sage Line 50 question
date posted 20th December 2003 17:46
Unfortunately, the customer already had Sage Line 50... we had no control
over that. Seems as though we're going to have to write a little desktop app
to print the invoices & then post the money to Sa...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 17:33
Really,
I've found it always mellows me out - suppose it depends on the amount of
coffee you use.
Dani
>This used to be my fav drink which gave me loads of hassle when going to
>trendy bars & aski...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, I'm under the table!
date posted 20th December 2003 17:10
danny kiernan wrote:
>
> Weird - I am 29 Drink like a fish and I have never got a beerbelly -
> still 12 stone 10 - which I was at 15, I am 6'1 so Apparently that is a
> little underweight for my...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 17:05
This used to be my fav drink which gave me loads of hassle when going to
trendy bars & asking for a coffee with whiskey..
Heard it's really bad for the heart thought as the caffeine is a stimulant &
t...
RE: FN-FORUM: NEW CSS or Tables - the middle ground
date posted 20th December 2003 17:01
Hi Tony,
That's quite a useful and informative doc - never heard of divitis before.
It is better to use css with a seperate stylesheet file for search engine
purposes and use external javascript...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, I'm under the table!
date posted 20th December 2003 16:51
Cool, ta for the info.
Weird - I am 29 Drink like a fish and I have never got a beerbelly - still
12 stone 10 - which I was at 15, I am 6'1 so Apparently that is a little
underweight for my heig...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 16:46
Nope - love bourbon, don't think it is that - can quite happily get through
a bottle of wild turkey or JD on my own. I've put Leffe on my crimbo booze
list.
My totally and utterly most favourite...
RE: FN-FORUM: going blind staring at a javascript function - can anyone help me out?
date posted 20th December 2003 16:41
Funny I always thought Java was the dark side,
I code in VB too as well as most other languages (except delphi - know
absolutely nothing about delphi). I use standards occasionally when I have
large...
FN-FORUM: NEW CSS or Tables - the middle ground
date posted 20th December 2003 16:38
Here's some Christmas reading for you.
I haven't read it all the way through, so don't scream at me, but it looks
as if it takes a sensible approach to best practice web page creation.
enjoy.
http...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, I'm under the table!
date posted 20th December 2003 16:16
=)
On 20/12/03 14:39, "Paul J White" [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
> Paul (neat change of subject line BTW Neelesh!)
--
Neelesh Sonawane
Graphic Designer
M: 07949 034 391
www.sonawane.co.uk
[EMAIL REMOV...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, I'm under the table!
date posted 20th December 2003 16:15
"Leffe is the brand leader among Belgian abbey beers - a beer for the
connoisseur, which should be served cold at 5=B0 C. Leffe Blond is a top
fermented ale which combines typical yeast characteristic...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 16:14
danny kiernan wrote:
>
> Wish I could drink the stuff,
> one sip of navy rum and I start being sick - weird though - can drink
> white rum all night tho, I think its the colouring they use.
>
Dark...
RE: FN-FORUM: going blind staring at a javascript function - can anyone help me out?
date posted 20th December 2003 16:07
I've never done any C, I'm from the VB (dark) side of development... I
should point out though that I'm no yeehar cowboy developer. I code to
standards and everything ;-)
Andy
IWD2 LLP
[EMAIL REMOVE...
RE: FN-FORUM: JavaScript Woes
date posted 20th December 2003 15:20
Why don't you use Microsofts tabular data control, as long as you are not
trying to cater for netscape - that will sort the problem out.
Dani
>To all Javascript bods
>
>I've got a row of DDLs in...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, I'm under the table!
date posted 20th December 2003 15:17
I think it's just the people, that everyone is rude about - not the beer,
belgian beer is nice, gets brewed twice so is stronger :)
Dani
>
>Neelesh Sonawane wrote:
>
>>Try a few Leffe..
>>Should do...
FN-FORUM: JavaScript Woes
date posted 20th December 2003 15:16
To all Javascript bods
I've got a row of DDLs in a few rows, and I'd like to be able to select =
a set value that is in the list in one row by using a 'master' DDL. This =
needs to be done on the cli...
RE: FN-FORUM: going blind staring at a javascript function - can anyone help me out?
date posted 20th December 2003 15:14
Hi Andy,
It helps if you have a grounding in C then the little erm 'quirks' of
javascript make sense - sort of
Dani
>I try to think of "=" as is assigned to and "==" as is equivalent to
>when...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 15:12
Wish I could drink the stuff,
one sip of navy rum and I start being sick - weird though - can drink white
rum all night tho, I think its the colouring they use.
Dani
>
>'Woods old Navy Rum' alwa...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, I'm under the table!
date posted 20th December 2003 15:10
Hiya Neelesh,
Never heard of Leffe, going to the shops to get the christmas spirits in a
bit later, can you let me know what leffe is.
Dani
>Try a few Leffe..
>Should do the trick.
>
>On 20/12/...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 15:08
Yuck, port is horrible,Yes I think they did leave the alcohol out - feel
weird today tho :(
Dani
>>Had the same experience with carling, me and a friend drank 12 cans each
>>one
>>night and didn'...
RE: FN-FORUM: Look ma, I'm under the table!
date posted 20th December 2003 14:12
Good one!
Paul (neat change of subject line BTW Neelesh!)...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, I'm under the table!
date posted 20th December 2003 14:06
Neelesh Sonawane wrote:
> Try a few Leffe..
> Should do the trick.
>
Very true, or Kriek (the Belgian fruit beer) is another good one.
Actually, I've never tasted a bad Belgian beer, why everyone i...
RE: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 13:45
Just drink all day, seems to do it for me!
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RE: FN-FORUM: going blind staring at a javascript function - can anyone help me out?
date posted 20th December 2003 13:36
I try to think of "=3D" as is assigned to and "=3D=3D" as is equivalent =
to
when I'm doing javascript. I feckin hate the language. Nobody seems to
have produced a decent development tool...=20
Andy...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 13:35
'Woods old Navy Rum' always takes me to a happy place. It's expensive but
it's heaven in a bottle.
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Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, I'm under the table!
date posted 20th December 2003 13:31
Try a few Leffe..
Should do the trick.
On 20/12/03 13:58, "Paul J White" [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
> Ema was just saying as much - if you drink pissy lager, what do you
> expect? Go and get yourself so...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 13:25
[EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
> danny kiernan wrote:
>
>>I'm up still trying to get wasted, had 9 pints in the pub and I am at
>>home now on my 12th can of carling - how come I am not falling over -
>>wish...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 13:21
[EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
> Paul J White wrote:
>
>>Fair comment. When it leapt to the full width of my dual monitors, I
>>flinched and hit Alt/F4
>
>
> Use Mozzy, you can turm off silly things like...
Re: FN-FORUM: forum
date posted 20th December 2003 13:08
The latter (I think)
Merry Christmas :-)
Susan wrote:
> As I am going away, is there any way I could be subscribed to the digest
> somehow, or do I have to unsubsribe here and subscribe there?
> tha...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 12:06
>enough whiz bang to keep the 10 second
>attention span of the Playstation
That's a pretty superficial view of it. If it's just about whiz bang, I
might as well be an interior decorator....
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 12:04
>Dan, I think you just *like* to argue.
Shit. Busted....
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 12:01
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Crockford" [EMAIL REMOVED]
> What he was trying to say is that some "designers" think that style -
> (glitz glamour, things that go wheeee) is good design.
H...
RE: FN-FORUM: Sage Line 50 question
date posted 20th December 2003 11:26
Ditch Sage and get a proper accounting package, you know it makes sense.
Sage == The accounting version of Microsoft.
Have a look at Astra Accouting http://www.astraaccounts.co.uk, it runs on
PC's a...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 10:34
Tony Crockford wrote:
> Dan, I think you just *like* to argue.
I don't think any of us has any room to talk on that front, we've been at
this for days!
Rick
Kitty5 NewMedia http://Kitty5.com
POV-Ra...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 10:34
danny kiernan wrote:
> I'm up still trying to get wasted, had 9 pints in the pub and I am at
> home now on my 12th can of carling - how come I am not falling over -
> wish I knew why
Had the same exp...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 10:34
Paul J White wrote:
> Fair comment. When it leapt to the full width of my dual monitors, I
> flinched and hit Alt/F4
Use Mozzy, you can turm off silly things like that.
Rick
Kitty5 NewMedia http://...
Re: FN-FORUM: www.thelancersproject.com/
date posted 20th December 2003 09:45
On 20 Dec 2003 02:17:56 -0000, Dan Cook [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
>
> Yeah, that's the kind of thing. Don't need the zoom in/out function
> though.
> I guess it wouldnt take long to put together?
10 m...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 09:40
On 20 Dec 2003 02:15:40 -0000, Dan Cook [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
>
> http://www.adobe.com/web/features/zeldman20000821/main.html
>
> What a crock of shit. It's about the culmination of form and functio...
RE: FN-FORUM: Sage Line 50 question
date posted 20th December 2003 03:08
Dave
I do know a way - if you use the sage odbc- you import the files into access
or excel and print them
Dani (sage are such a fuckin ripoff)
>
>On 19 December 2003 10:08, Dave Boulden [EMAIL...
RE: FN-FORUM: Sage Line 50 question
date posted 20th December 2003 03:03
On 19 December 2003 10:08, Dave Boulden [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
>
> Does anyone here use or develop for Sage Line 50?
>
> I have created an export file of invoices from my Ad Booking system
> to impor...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 02:45
hi Luke,
would never call a designer dumb - hell I can't do anything with designs, I
am a developer.
It's just my sandbox for a website creation tool - did you try dragging th
options over thin...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 02:38
i did have a nose... i'm afraid i'm just a dumb designer - 'cos i
don't really get the point of it...
it's a file/directory system for a website, right? pretty cool then i
guess :-D
i like the r...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 02:26
Hi Luke
I'm up still trying to get wasted, had 9 pints in the pub and I am at home
now on my 12th can of carling - how come I am not falling over - wish I knew
why
Man getting drunk is now serious...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 02:21
hahaha... i think this is one of the best threads ever... 3 days now
and counting ;-)
there's a lot to learn from you guys... and how come ur all up so late
on friday nite ??
On 20 Dec 2003, at...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 02:14
Hi Dan,
Glad you like it - notice when you drag over other objects you can see em -
transparency is cool
Like I said - I am deciding whether or not to put the drsg n drop into the
interface -...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 02:10
Ah got it. Sweet. Great job. I'll test it properly and let you know.
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Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 02:04
Hi Dan
Hmm what browser are you using
are you going to http://217.42.211.32/ims/admin/menu.asp
Dani
>Hiya Danny,
>
>The page wont load at all for me.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "dann...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 02:01
Hiya Danny,
The page wont load at all for me.
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Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 01:57
Hi Dan
too true - except the lists delete after a coupla days
Can you check out my sandbox?
Dani
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>To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
>Sent: S...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 01:54
Hiya all,
If y'all get bored can you please give me some feedback on functionality I
have in my sandbox - not my full version, which is released 23/12/03 of a
cms solution.
I am playing around wit...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 01:53
Don't ruin it. I believe that if this thread lasts more than a week, one of
us will find the answer to the meaning of life.
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To: [EMA...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 01:47
what the fuck is all this argument about, we all have differences of
opinions on how a website should be constructed - I love css myself, but
that doesn't mean that I don't rate sites which use tab...
Re: FN-FORUM: www.thelancersproject.com/
date posted 20th December 2003 01:44
Yeah, that's the kind of thing. Don't need the zoom in/out function though.
I guess it wouldnt take long to put together?
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To: [EM...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 01:42
http://www.adobe.com/web/features/zeldman20000821/main.html
What a crock of shit. It's about the culmination of form and function and
creating a harmony between the two to create a gestalt, that is,...
Re: FN-FORUM: www.thelancersproject.com/
date posted 20th December 2003 01:22
On 20 Dec 2003 01:47:29 -0000, Tony Crockford [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
>
> On 20 Dec 2003 01:35:45 -0000, Dan Cook [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
>
>>
>> Any news on what's happening / updates etc Did we find...
Re: FN-FORUM: www.thelancersproject.com/
date posted 20th December 2003 01:14
On 20 Dec 2003 01:35:45 -0000, Dan Cook [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
>
> Any news on what's happening / updates etc Did we find someone to make it
> scroll continuously?
Like this?
http://www.torbytes.co...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 01:10
On 20 Dec 2003 01:00:49 -0000, Oktal [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
> http://www.adobe.com/web/features/zeldman20000821/page2.html
>
> That was my point exactly - even Jeffrey Zeldman admits : "As long as ou...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 01:10
> There you go again, making the goal wider to suit your argument ;o)
Absolutely!!!
> So having argued about it all day it turns out that you're thinking of
> accessibility in the broadest meaning o...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 01:09
Just looked at his portfolio of sites, he has a bit of a 'one design suits
all' attitude doesn't he.
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FN-FORUM: www.thelancersproject.com/
date posted 20th December 2003 01:02
Any news on what's happening / updates etc Did we find someone to make it
scroll continuously? What about magazines - .net?
Cheers...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 01:01
On 20 Dec 2003 01:04:30 -0000, Oktal [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
>
>
>> http://www.themaninblue.com/design/philosophy/
>
> I like this a lot - its still smells a bit of CSS minimalism but its
> nice;
> i...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 00:59
On 20 Dec 2003 00:57:22 -0000, Dan Cook [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
>
>> Are Germans and French people less relevant to Torbay than blind ones?
>
> To coin a phrase of Mr Alan Partridge.... "Back of the n...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 00:50
On 20 Dec 2003 00:14:36 -0000, Dan Cook [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
>
> It's ok(ish), so I guess I'm kind of troll(ish) ;-)
>
> I agree with his philosophy though.
Really? you amaze me.....
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 00:49
On 20 Dec 2003 00:48:10 -0000, Oktal [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
>
>> No. I'm saying that if we're debating accessible web sites we should
>> discuss only those that have access to the web in the first p...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 00:31
> http://www.themaninblue.com/design/philosophy/
I like this a lot - its still smells a bit of CSS minimalism but its nice;
it in my bookmarks now. :)
Damon : Base-8...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 00:27
This brought me back to the point I was making with the long rant (which I
found off the link Tony posted) :
http://www.adobe.com/web/features/zeldman20000821/page2.html
That was my point exactly -...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 00:24
>Are Germans and French people less relevant to Torbay than blind ones?
To coin a phrase of Mr Alan Partridge.... "Back of the net!" :-P...
Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
date posted 20th December 2003 00:14
> No. I'm saying that if we're debating accessible web sites we should
> discuss only those that have access to the web in the first place.
Ok - but you admit that you don't provide an accessible so...
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