Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)

date posted 20th December 2003 01:53

Don't ruin it. I believe that if this thread lasts more than a week, one of
us will find the answer to the meaning of life.

----- Original Message -----
From: "danny kiernan" [EMAIL REMOVED]
To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 2:20 AM
Subject: Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)


>
>
> what the fuck is all this argument about, we all have differences of
> opinions on how a website should be constructed - I love css myself, but
> that doesn't mean that I don't rate sites which use tables only (without
> css).
>
> I think y'all are just spoiling for a fight cos it's friday night and
Buffy
> has finished
>
> Dani Kiernan
>
> Who cares what company I own
>
>
> >http://www.adobe.com/web/features/zeldman20000821/main.html
> >
> >What a crock of shit. It's about the culmination of form and function and
> >creating a harmony between the two to create a gestalt, that is, 1+1=3
Any
> >designer that gives one precedence over the other is not going to be as
> >successful as the one who does. Period.
> >
> >In his case, I percieve 'style' to be a functionless form. But he doesn't
> >show the other side of the coin.....A formless function is just as bad (a
> >well coded accessible css site that looks like a cats arse)! If you can't
> >bring the two together, whether by yourself or by employing the help of
> >others, then your in the wrong game. No client wants a shit looking site
in
> >the same way that no client wants great looking site with no use or
> >substance. Similarly, you can have a site with good looks and great
> >functionality that still fails on some level if the two elements are not
> >intrinsically interwoven.
> >
> >Dan
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Tony Crockford" [EMAIL REMOVED]
> >To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
> >Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 1:43 AM
> >Subject: Re: FN-FORUM: Look ma, no tables! (WARNING : Long...sorry)
> >
> >
> > >
> > > On 20 Dec 2003 01:00:49 -0000, Oktal [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
> > >
> > > > http://www.adobe.com/web/features/zeldman20000821/page2.html
> > > >
> > > > That was my point exactly - even Jeffrey Zeldman admits : "As long
as
> >our
> > > > society values Style over Design, surface over substance, this
> >situation
> > > > is
> > > > not going to improve."
> > >
> > >
> > > That's a whole other topic, happily I totally agree with you.
> > >
> > > The title and strapline of that article actually sum up my view
> >completely.
> > >
> > > Style vs Design
> > > Why understanding the difference is what it's all about.
> > >
> > > ;o)
> > >
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