Re: FN-FORUM: So, exactly what is web design? was: Full-time designer needed

date posted 1st March 2004 11:39

Wish I'd checked my email yesterday to join in this thread, where is the
jumped up arse that started it anyway?

I do consider myself a designer but have no formal qualifications, just
14 years graphic design experience and have got jobs over graduates and
trained them, does that make me not a real designer?

I admit there is web designers out there cheaper than me with no design
skills but they are the first to admit that, and if the client wants a
mediocre designed but functional website then that's fine, I won't
compromise on design for a cheap job. They see the portfolio, they know
what they're getting, I'm not saying I'm better or worse than anyone
else, just different.

19k not bad for a junior, he's got to remember that's in London and you
don't get that everywhere. Did make me wonder what salary i could
command these days though

Lindsey

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On Sunday, February 29, 2004, at 10:58 PM, artcaf wrote:

>
> I want to explain it this way because i feel many important issues are
> being
> overlooked
>
> As an artist i consider 'creativity' as a means to free the soul
> you can create video and animation and do/express all the things you
> cant do
> in real life
> eg beat up your ex boss with a stickman or animate a blooming flower for
> your loved one
> In this case the web is simply a medium with which to transmit your
> content
> as an artist or as a journalist for example..
>
> then theres the marketing side
> sites have to be optimised to create sales and leads
> to extract feedback names and addresses from potential customers, many
> sites
> are not marketing led and as a result are difficult to use
> i often visit sites where i want to buy something and it takes 10
> minutes to
> find out how??
>
> i feel these are the two driving forces behind all media
> including web design- marketing and art
>
> the rest ie the technical side is born in my case from 'hacking' when i
> was
> 12 yrs old
> I bet most of the people here have hacked there way into it since it
> began
> with the zx spectrum and bbc/amiga
> with cracked illegal copies of software to learn programs to get a
> job...thats how it all began with hacking geaks
> but the principles and driving forces are still the same
>
> i feel in this industry there is a lack of streamlining these
> principles and
> often the techy doing the back end and the marketing /
> artists/designers are
> almost dislodged from each other
> i feel it is only when these principles are streamlined can a website
> truly
> be magnificent...
>
> my 2p
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jakob Widerberg" [EMAIL REMOVED]
> To: [EMAIL REMOVED]
> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 10:37 PM
> Subject: Re: FN-FORUM: So, exactly what is web design? was: Full-time
> designer needed
>
>
>>
>>
>> As a general comment; unless for its own sake, I just cannot see how
>> webdesign can be deemed 'art'. It's not a painting or a poster, it's a
> user
>> interface.
>>
>> Now (in the real world) - realising the above, having a good grasp of
>> the
>> technical limitations/possibilities, HCI and the ability to work with
>> and
>> empathize with other people (clients, colleagues, etc) and constantly
>> trying/learning/evolving (and being a creative soul obviously) is what
> makes
>> a web designer, not the fact that you've spent five years at
>> university.
>> We're getting a lot of CV's in atm and I've seen some people with
> impressive
>> MA's producing some godawful webdesign - and others with no formal
>> qualifications but who are very talented, worked hard to gain
>> experience,
>> have little or no experience of using color wheels but just 'gets it'
>> and
>> are able to create some amazing, creative and very usable websites that
>> oooze of a 'quality without a name' (Then again, I've probably seen the
>> opposite a lot more). That these people shouldn't be able to call
> themselves
>> 'designers' because of having no formal degree is bollocks. You are
>> your
>> portfolio, no matter what your degree. Let your work do the talk and
>> the
>> good jobs will follow.
>>
>> Just my 2p, IMHO, etc.
>>
>> Jakob
>>
>>
>>
>>
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