RE: FN-FORUM: Mentoring (was: Programmers)

date posted 15th May 2007 19:48

I would agree with Martin (you aren't being moody at all, hehe) - sometimes
people do come here because they feel more comfortable. Google is all very
well and good, but cannot solve everything, and sometimes it takes time to
find an answer which is remotely close to what you are looking for.

I would add though - I think that sometimes people come onto this site, not
because they can't find the answer on Google or because they are necessary
lazy, but because they want to get different perspectives, or throw
something around which they may think is right, but want to make sure. After
all, you cannot always find an uptodate entry on the net which answers a
problem, can you?

Alex.

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Subject: Re: FN-FORUM: Mentoring (was: Programmers)


> OK, so I'm a moody sod lol.

I don't think so :) I agree when ever I've had a problem to do with design
and development google has been my first and in all cases last stop for
help.

Though I think some people on the list may feel more comfortable asking for
help here as it feels more like a community, maybe? happy, helpful, safe,
real!

But there are a lot of posts that I don't think google could answer as well
as they can be on here like when a person is screwing over some code that
isn't working and the best option would be for someone with knowledge to
take a look first hand and see if they can figure it out.

You may call it lazy to use this forum for help rather than google but I
don't think so just use what you feel more comfortable with or which ever
you feel is a more reliable/successful place to get help.


Martin
www.atdc.co.uk



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Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: FN-FORUM: Mentoring (was: Programmers)


>
> On 15 May 2007 15:24:47 -0000, Dom Latter [EMAIL REMOVED] wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday 15 May 2007 7:47 am, Peter Agambar wrote:
>>
>> > I often read posts asking how to do this or that, and in the past have
>> > thought to myself that it has taken me 20 years to build up these
>> > skill,
>> > spent loads of money on training courses and the right degree why
>> > should I
>> > give this knowledge away for free. If the work is too complex for
>> > someone
>> > who has taken on a project, then perhaps they should either employ
>> > someone
>> > who can do the work, or not take on the project at all.
>>
>> Most people realise when they are out of their depth, and will call on
>> professional help - frequently from the person who has been the most
>> helpful up to that point.
>>
>> > But that was all in the past, I've now taken to reading the posts and
>> > if I
>> > feel someone requires help I try and do this off list, with the
>> > original
>> > poster free to either accept the advice or disregard it.
>>
>> On list, please, unless there's a particular reason not to share it with
>> everyone else.
>>
>> > Without any quick way of distinguishing posts of seasoned professionals
>> > looking for a quick answer, or a newbee needing direction the level of
>> > help
>> > will always be a bit hit and miss.
>>
>> The question itself usually gives it away, I find.
>>
>> --
>
> What bugs me big time is the number of questions that get asked that a
> 2 second google search would fix. It seems to me that lists such as
> this are used for laziness. How many basic PHP questions do we get
> that have answers in the manual?
>
> What happened to good old fashioned problem solving? If I hit
> something I can't do, I google it. That way, I am not relying on
> other people and am actually learning for next time.
>
> The best questions on here are the ones that we really have to think
> about (I think it was Pamela that posted a tricky SQL one recently?)
>
> I wonder how many people that post replies actually google them first?
> Doing someone elses work for them.
>
> OK, so I'm a moody sod lol.
>
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