RE: FN-FORUM: Mentoring (was: Programmers)

date posted 15th May 2007 20:18

errrr..... wot?


>From: Alex Libby [EMAIL REMOVED]
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>Subject: RE: FN-FORUM: Mentoring (was: Programmers)
>Date: 15 May 2007 18:55:16 -0000
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>
>I would agree with Martin (you aren't being moody at all, hehe) - sometimes
>people do come here because they feel more comfortable. Google is all very
>well and good, but cannot solve everything, and sometimes it takes time to
>find an answer which is remotely close to what you are looking for.
>
>I would add though - I think that sometimes people come onto this site, not
>because they can't find the answer on Google or because they are necessary
>lazy, but because they want to get different perspectives, or throw
>something around which they may think is right, but want to make sure.
>After
>all, you cannot always find an uptodate entry on the net which answers a
>problem, can you?
>
>Alex.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL REMOVED] [EMAIL REMOVED] On Behalf Of Martin
>Wilkins
>Sent: 15 May 2007 16:56
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>Subject: Re: FN-FORUM: Mentoring (was: Programmers)
>
>
> > OK, so I'm a moody sod lol.
>
>I don't think so :) I agree when ever I've had a problem to do with design
>and development google has been my first and in all cases last stop for
>help.
>
>Though I think some people on the list may feel more comfortable asking for
>help here as it feels more like a community, maybe? happy, helpful, safe,
>real!
>
>But there are a lot of posts that I don't think google could answer as well
>as they can be on here like when a person is screwing over some code that
>isn't working and the best option would be for someone with knowledge to
>take a look first hand and see if they can figure it out.
>
>You may call it lazy to use this forum for help rather than google but I
>don't think so just use what you feel more comfortable with or which ever
>you feel is a more reliable/successful place to get help.
>
>
>Martin
>www.atdc.co.uk
>
>
>
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>From: "lee fogarty" [EMAIL REMOVED]
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>Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:36 PM
>Subject: Re: FN-FORUM: Mentoring (was: Programmers)
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> >
> > On 15 May 2007 15:24:47 -0000, Dom Latter [EMAIL REMOVED]
>wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tuesday 15 May 2007 7:47 am, Peter Agambar wrote:
> >>
> >> > I often read posts asking how to do this or that, and in the past
>have
> >> > thought to myself that it has taken me 20 years to build up these
> >> > skill,
> >> > spent loads of money on training courses and the right degree why
> >> > should I
> >> > give this knowledge away for free. If the work is too complex for
> >> > someone
> >> > who has taken on a project, then perhaps they should either employ
> >> > someone
> >> > who can do the work, or not take on the project at all.
> >>
> >> Most people realise when they are out of their depth, and will call on
> >> professional help - frequently from the person who has been the most
> >> helpful up to that point.
> >>
> >> > But that was all in the past, I've now taken to reading the posts and
> >> > if I
> >> > feel someone requires help I try and do this off list, with the
> >> > original
> >> > poster free to either accept the advice or disregard it.
> >>
> >> On list, please, unless there's a particular reason not to share it
>with
> >> everyone else.
> >>
> >> > Without any quick way of distinguishing posts of seasoned
>professionals
> >> > looking for a quick answer, or a newbee needing direction the level
>of
> >> > help
> >> > will always be a bit hit and miss.
> >>
> >> The question itself usually gives it away, I find.
> >>
> >> --
> >
> > What bugs me big time is the number of questions that get asked that a
> > 2 second google search would fix. It seems to me that lists such as
> > this are used for laziness. How many basic PHP questions do we get
> > that have answers in the manual?
> >
> > What happened to good old fashioned problem solving? If I hit
> > something I can't do, I google it. That way, I am not relying on
> > other people and am actually learning for next time.
> >
> > The best questions on here are the ones that we really have to think
> > about (I think it was Pamela that posted a tricky SQL one recently?)
> >
> > I wonder how many people that post replies actually google them first?
> > Doing someone elses work for them.
> >
> > OK, so I'm a moody sod lol.
> >
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